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ROAST PIGS CRYING " WHO 'LL EAT ME ? " (10 S. xi. 250.) In the thirteenth-century poem ' The Land of Cockaigne ' the writer states that

Ther nis schepe, no swine, no gote, Ne non horwgk, la, god it wot, but

The gees, irostid on the spitte,

Fleegh to that abbai god hit wot,

And gredith " Gees ! al hote ! al hote ! "

From Hans Sachs's account of " Schlaraffen-

land " the pig is not absent :

Die Sau' alljahrlich wohl gerathen Sie gehn umher und sind gebraten. Ein Messer steckt in ihrem Riicken ; Der erste nimmt die besten Stiicken ; Steckt drauf das Messer wieder ein Und lasst auch andern Avas von Schwein.

Hans Sachs lived from 1494 to 1576. The above quotation comes from a ' Handbuch der deutschen Literatur ' by Dieliss andHein- richs (Berlin, 1863). I dare say the lines have been edited. ST. SWITHIN.

An anticipation of this phrase will be found in Ben Jonson's ' Bartholomew Fair,' Act III. sc. i. (p. 320, col. 1, Gifford's edi- tion) :

Littlewit. Good mother, how shall we find a pig, if we do not look about for 't ? Will it run off o' the spit, into our mouths, think you, as in Lubberland, and cry, " Wee-Wee " ?

Busy. No, but your mother, religiously-wise, conceiveth it may offer itself by other means to the sense, as by way of steam, which I think it doth here in this place huh, huh yes, it doth.

EDW. H. AXTON.

Rotherham.

The land of Readymade, where little pigs run about ready roasted, crying, " Come and eat me," is described in ' The Water- Babies,' of Charles Kingsley.

E. H. PARRY.

Stoke House, Stoke Poges.

ARMS OF MARRIED WOMEN : MARSHALLING or INSIGNIA OF ORDERS (10 S. x. 429). COL. RIVETT-CARNAC raises an interesting question that was not mentioned in the discussion upon the arms of married women referred to by him (the last of which was my own contribution at x. 197), namely, how should their arms be shown when their owner happened to be a member of an order (e.g., Victoria and Albert).

Boutell in his 'Heraldry, Historical and Popular' (1864), p. 168, in speaking of the arrangement of the arms of members of an order of knighthood, says as follows :

"Knights of the Garter, the Bath, and other orders, if married, bear two shields. On the first, placed to the dexter, are the paternal arms of

the knight himself, being surrounded with the insignia of his order of knighthood. On the second shield he bears his own arms repeated,, without any knightly insignia, impaling those of his wife or charged with them in pretence ; and this second shield is usually encircled with a garland of oak-leaves, as a decorative accessory only, and without any heraldic significance .... This English u^age is not followed in foreign heraldry."

I find from a marginal note that I have made in my oopy of Boutell that Edmondson ('Complete Body of Heraldry,' 1780) says that the custom for knights of these orders to wear their arms and those of their wives in two separate shields, with the order round their own coat alone, is taken from the- French.

By parity of reasoning it would seem that COL. RIVETT-CARNAC is right in his sugges- tion that the paternal arms of the lady herself should be borne upon a separate shield (presumably a lozenge) surrounded by the insignia of her order, and on a second shield (impaled or in pretence, as the case may be) her husband's and her own arms without any such insignia, the whole form- ing one achievement.

I have some doubt whether in this group- ing the lozenge would take precedence of the shield, as representing an order, or whether it should yield precedence to the shield, as it would in the case of a similar achieve- ment of a peeress in her own right who has married a commoner. J. S. UDAL, F.S.A.

Antigua, W.I.

" QUID EST FIDES ? " (10 S. xi. 230.) In ' Facetiae Cantabrigienses,' an old collec- tion of Cambridge jests and anecdotes, a full account is given of this phrase, as- follows :

" In the days of Charles II. candidates for holy orders were expected to answer in Lathi' to the various interrogatories put to them by the bishop or his examining chaplain. When the celebrated Dr. Isaac Barrow presented himself as a candidate the bishop's chaplain put to him this question

Quid est fides ?

Quod non vides,

answered Barrow instantly. The chap lam con- tinued

Quid est spes ?

Magna res, replied Barrow in the same breath.

Quid est charitas ? was the next question.

Magna raritas, was again the prompt reply of Barrow.

" The chaplain thereupon went direct to the bishop and told him that one of the candidates had thought proper to give rhyming answers to all his questions ; and added that he believed his name was Barrow of Trinity College, Cam- bridge. ' Barrow, Barrow ! ' said the bishop,