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dition, and the inscription is well - nigh obliterated. The latter runs :

"Here | the distinguished explorer | and | African traveller | Capt. John Hanning Speke | lost his life | by the accidental explosion I of his gun I September 15, 1864."

Capt. Speke was to have taken part in the proceedings of the British Association at Bath that same evening, and to have encountered Capt. Burton in a public discussion as to the true source of the Nile.

The Wadswick memorial is in such a state of decay that it will be as well to record its existence in ' N. & Q.' H. G. ARCHER.

'29, Sussex Gardens, Hyde Park, W.

The equestrian statue of Sir James Outram referred to by MR. WILMOT COR- FIELD (ante, p. 372) was exhibited, before being sent to India, at the foot of Waterloo Place, between the United Service and Athenaeum Clubs. I remember my atten- tion being drawn to it by an old Indian officer, who remarked that, fine as it was, it did not recall the man to the same extent as the adjacent statue of Lord Clyde. That, he said, was " the man himself." My informant was able to speak with authority, having served under both generals, and having, besides, dressed Sir Colin Campbell's wounds on the field of Chillianwallah. T. F. D.

[CoL. C. J. DURAXD also thanked for reply on Outram.]

THE TYBURN (10 S. x. 341, 430). I regret that my absence from England prevents me from replying in detail to MR. H. A. HARBEN'S criticisms, but I may venture on one or two remarks. By an uninten- tional slip of the pen, MR. HARBEN misrepre- sents my argument by making me suggest that " the name of Tyburn denoted the manor lying between the two brooks." What I actually suggested was that the name signified the land lying between the two burns that Teoburna, to compare small things with great, represented to the Anglo-Saxon mind what Mesopotamia (the land lying between the two great rivers, the Tigris and the Euphrates) represented to the Greek or the Roman. I do not sup- pose that this suggestion will meet with acceptance ; -it is much too reasonable for that ; and I dare say there are acute critics who will prove that Mesopotamia has quite a different meaning from that which, prima facie, attaches to it.

I cordially echo MR. HARBEN'S wish that -fro*. Skeat would favour the readers of

' N. & Q.' with his views on the etymology that I have proposed. In the meantime I may point out that the elision of the letter w in tweo presents no difficulty to my mind. I dare say the intelligent foreigner is often puzzled at being told that the cognate word two is pronounced too. If, at the date of Domesday, Tweoburn was generally pro- nounced Teeburn by Londoners, the Norman scribes would naturally write it down Tiburne. Nor do I quite see why Twyburn should denote a " twofold " or " two-forked" stream. Twyford does not denote a " two- fold " or " two-forked ". ford, but a village situated between two fords ; nor does twi- light denote a " twofold " or " two-forked " light, but the condition that exists in the interval between the full glare of day and the darkness of night.

My argument was that the large inter- riverine area was known as Teoburna, and that it was subsequently divided into the three manors of Eia, Tyburn, and Lileston, just as Eia at a later date was cut up into the three manors of Eye or Eybury, Neate, and Hyde. Some years ago I laid some stress on the point that we must not take for granted that the boundaries of manors in very early days were rigidly defined. MR. W. L. RUTTON (ante, p. 321) has also drawn attention to this point. Land often accrued by marriage, purchase, or other means, and was thereby detached from, or added to, existing manors, without any definite legal record. It is true, as MB. HARBEN says, that a considerable portion of the manor of Marybone, or, in other words, the Howard de Walden (formerly Portland) estate, lies to the east of the Tyburn Brook ; but we hear nothing of the manor of Mary- bone till the time of Henry VII. It is certainly anything but " practically certain that the manor of Tiburne is identical with Marybone," i.e., the manor, for the parish, of course, comprises not only that manor, but nearly all the old manor of Lileston as well. The original manor of Tyburn represented much more than the Howard de Walden estate. I think it is to be re- gretted that before writing his " reply " MR. HARBEN did not refresh his memory by again reading the notes on ' Executions at Tyburn ' and ' The Manor of Tyburn,' which were respectively written by MR. W. L. RUTTON and myself, and appeared in ' N. & Q.' some years ago (see 9 S. vii. 121, 210, 242, 282, 310, 381, 402, 489 ; viii. 53, 210, 265). He would there have seen that the authority for the statement that " the manor of Tyburn included that portion