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almost wholly, to the east of the Tyburn Brook, and could therefore not be" pro- perly included in the original manor.

I 'think COL. PRIDEAUX is in error in saying that no one called the brook the Tyburn " until the nineteenth century was well on its way to maturity." There are two MS. plans in the Grace Collection at the British Museum, dated 1732 and made by J. Hanway, jun., in which the brook is marked " Tybourn " and " Ty-bourii " (portfolio xiv. 22, 26).

There are one or two other statements in COL. PRIDE AUX'S paper to which I should like to draw attention, lest their appear- ance on his authority in ' N. & Q.' should cause them to be accepted hereafter without question.

He speaks of the charter of King Edgar of 951 as dealing with about 600 acres~of land. It would be better to say that it deals with 5 hides. In view of the difference of opinion that exists as to the meaning of the word " hide " and its equivalence in acreage, it is not safe to assume that the grant in question contained 600 acres. In fact, if it was bounded on the west by the Tyburn stream, or by what is the same thing here, viz., COL. PRIDE AUX'S original Tyburn Manor, and if it was bounded on the north by Oxford Street and Holborn, and if the old wooden church of St. Andrew was any- where near the present church of St. Andrew, Holborn, then the acreage would be more than double that suggested by COL. PRI- DEAUX. As a matter of fact, it must be ad- mitted that the extent of the land included in this grant is at present quite obscure. The only thing certain about it is that it was adjacent to the Thames on one of its sides.

Again, is it safe to assume that the " Ee " or " Ey," quoted by Ducange sub voce " Fleta," had anv necessary reference to the " Ee " or " Eye " in Middlesex ? On reference to Spelman I find that Ducange, as quoted by COL. PRIDEAUX, has somewhat abbreviated the quotation, which should run as follows : " (dicta terra) extendit se in longitudine a communi via de M. versus aquilonem ; usque ad fletam de Ee versus austrum."

May I ask what is the authority for COL. PRIDE AUX'S statement that in 1222 the parish of St. Margaret included the whole of the manor of Eia ?

Again, what is the authority for the state- ment that in 1222 " the manor of Tyburn included that portion of land to the west of the Edgware Road which is now known as

Bays water and Craven Hill " ? What is certain is that at Domesday there was a manor of Tiburne and a manor of Lilestone, and it is practically certain that the manor of Tiburne is identical with Marybone, and that the manor house was near the north end of Harley Street. It is also practically certain that Lilestone manor house occupied the site of the present Queen Charlotte's Hospital. If so, it seems improbable that there should be another part of the manor of Tyburn nearly a mile to the west of the Edgware Road. H. A. HARBEN.

I was much interested in COL. PRIDE AUX'S note on Tyburn, the derivation of local names being an attractive subject to me.

With regard to the T in Tyburn, there is surely an instance to support Mrs. Alec Tweedie's theory in the word Tichborne. The family of Tichborne of course took the name from the place, which has belonged to them since the twelfth century ; and the earliest authentic mention of this Hampshire village is in the reign of Edward the Elder, who granted some land there to the Bishop of Winchester in 909. Athelstane sub- stituted money for the land ; and among the gifts bestowed on the church by King Edgar under the influence of Dunstan, was a still larger portion of land at Tichborne. Thus the Saxon origin of the word is estab- lished.

Now the parish of Tichborne lies near the upper course of the river Itchen, and so we get Ich-bourne, and the T if an abbre- viation of the Saxon word cet was prefixed to locate this special stretch of land. More- over, the great highway from Winchester to Alresford is connected with the village of Tichborne by a branch road which follows the course of the Ich-bourne. It is a coin- cidence that both Tyburn and Tichborne were near an important highway.

One has only to listen to the country dialects to realize how easily the t of cet could become separated from its own vowels and attach itself to the opening vowel of the following word. P. SMITH.

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QUEEN ELIZABETH'S DAY, 17 NOVEMBER (10 S. x. 381). Please allow me to correct W. C. B.'s statement that no notice is taken of this day except at Westminster School. The statutes of this school (A.D. 1607) lay down

"Other breakinge up in the yeare they shall have none nor play dayes, save upon the seavententh daie of November yearlie, when they shall play the whole daye, and those which are able shall upon