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NOTES AND QUERIES. [io s. x. SEPT. 12, 190?.

Roger de Swynnerton on 30 August in the 15th year" (30 Aug., 1321), "and that he was removed from the custody on the 16 October in the 17th year " (16 Oct., 1323).

It is a most interesting thing to note that Roger Mortimer of Wigmore escaped from the Tower only two and a half months before Roger's " removal," namely, on the night of 1 Aug., 1323 (St. Peter ad Vincula). There must have been a commission of inquiry in the interim, but beyond his " removal " (which, however, may not have had anything to do with the matter) Roger de Swynnerton seems to have incurred no penalty. The fact is he was so high in favour with both King and Queen that he was often engaged on special service, and it is nearly certain that he was not in the way when Roger Mortimer made his historic escape from the custody of his drugged guards. Swynnerton appears to have ap- pointed as his Deputy Keeper of the Tower Stephen de Segrave, and on him and on his father John de Segrave the King's wrath most certainly fell. They appear to have been imprisoned, and on 1 June, 1324, they were admitted to pardon for the escape on payment of fines, and on engaging to serve in the King's army in Aquitaine, to which duchy John de Segrave, with his sons Stephen, Thomas, a priest, and John the younger, set out on 10 June, having the King's " Letters of Protection " (ibid.).

CHARLES SWYNNERTON.

DETHICK PEDIGREE (10 S. vi. 467). ' The Visitation of Norfolk, 1563,' published by the Norfolk Archaeological Society, 1878, gives (vol. i. pp. 237-43) a pedigree of Dethick in which it is recorded that Roger Dethick of Derby, second son of Sir William Dethick, married and had seven sons, the eldest of whom, Philip Dethick (Harl. MS. 4756 says of Wormygay, co. Norfolk), married Joane, dau. of Audby (Audebie in Le Neve ? Audeley ; Awdley in Chitting MS. in possession of Lord Orford), and had issue a son, John Dethick of Wormegay. To whom Roger was married is not stated, nor does Blomefield's ' Norfolk ' (vii. 505) or Harl. Soc. xxxii. 106 throw any light on the subject.

According to Burke (' Landed Gentry,* 1846, p. 859), Margaret, third dau. of (Sir) Ralph Meynell, married Roger Dethick ; and in Nichols's ' History and Antiquities of the County of Leicester,' 1795, &c. (ii. 531), in the pedigree of Meignell, this marriage is recorded, but Roger is described

as third son of Geffrey Dethick of Dethick, co. Derby. Nowhere, however, can I find this parentage confirmed.

As a result of my inquiry at the above reference I was most kindly favoured by MR. LEWIS C. LOYD with a copy of a pedigree of Dethick of Dethick, which he had com- piled from contemporary evidence collected by him ; hence possibly MR. LOYD'S pedi- gree is one of the most authentic of the family.

In it MR. LOYD confirms Roger Dethick as son of William de Dethek (Sir William Dethick), but states that Roger died s.p.m. before 6 Edw. IV. (1466). The latter state- ment MR. LOYD bases on

" De Banco Roll, Hilary 6 Edw. IV., memb. 366 dorso, in which suit land descended to his younger brother Thomas, though there was a prior remainder to him (Roger) and the heirs male of his body, there- fore at that time he could have had no male descendants living."

This contention is plausible, but may not the land have passed unjustly to Thomas? for it seems hardly possible that Roger should have left no male descendants, as he had, as quoted above, seven sons, and two of them married and left male issue.

MR. LOYD'S pedigree records that Mar- garet Meynell married Roger's brother John, and not Roger. In ' Visitation of Worces- tershire, 1569,' Harl. Soc. xxvii. 47, John is given as second son of Rauffe Dethicke of Dethicke Hall in " Darbish.," and married to Margaret Meynell ; and in ' Derbyshire Pedigrees, 1569 and 1611,' in The Genealogist (New Series, vii. 78), John's marriage as above is entered, and his father is given as Sir Geoffrey Dethick. In Collectanea Topographica et Genealogica, i. 138, Margaret Meynell is described as wife of Thomas, another brother of Roger. I do not find John's marriage to Margaret Meynell elsewhere recorded. If Roger's wife was not Margaret Meynell, whom did he marry ? If it is assumed that the land referred to in the suit above mentioned justly passed to Thomas Dethick by reason of his brother Roger dying s.p.m., the question arises, Who were the parents of Philip Dethick and his six brothers ? Philip's marriage is entered in Harl. Soc. xxxii. 106 thus : Philip Dethyke, eldest son and heir (of Roger Dethyke) = Jone, dau. of Audebie (Audeley ?).

With reference to the family to which Philip's wife belonged, Lord Orford very kindly took the trouble to look into the Chitting MS., and advised me that in addi- tion to the arms of Sir William Dethick (who was father of Roger) there was an