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on the Communion plate presented to Wel- lingborough Parish Church by Sir Paul in 1634. Possibly information might therefore be elicited concerning the Pindar family from Wellingborough ; from Peterborough, where the cathedral authorities possess Com- munion plate presented by Sir Paul in 1639 ; or from the Bodleian Library, to which he sent Arabic, Persian, and other valuable manuscripts in 1611. JOHN T. PAGE.

West Haddon, Northamptonshire.

Your correspondent will do well to look at the pedigree of Pinder in Joseph Hunter's Soc.). One of this family became the direct ancestor of the present Earl Beauchamp by marrying the heiress of the Lygons. The name Pinder was subsequently changed for that of Lygou by Act of Parliament.
 * Families Minorum Gentium,' ii. 485 (Harl.

W. C. B.

There are, I am told, no members of this family now surviving at Owston, but there are several Finders or Pindars (I have seen

6 th S. xii. 29 ; 9 th S. iii. 203 ; and instances in the singular were given in the Times of 31 October, 1903. Two questions need to be decided : (1) how many hands does the person kiss ? (2) has the official form of the phrase ever been current in the plural ? A stray quotation proves nothing. I limit the inquiry to the official kissing of the sovereign's hand. Dr. Murray (vol. v. p. 714, col. 3, under 'Kiss,' 6) says " to kiss the hand (hands) of a sovereign" whereby placing "hands "within brackets he seems to show uncertainty about the plural and gives nine quotations, from 1575 to 1854. Four of these are in the plural ; those of 1654 and 1680 seem to be merely rhetorical, but those of 1768 and 1809 are in the form used in the newspapers of to-day. W. C. B.

There seems to me no difference between the expression " kissed hands " and " kissed hand," except that one is singular, the other plural, both being identical.

In ' Old Mortality,' when the promise of a

the name spelt both ways by people bearing commission is given to Sergeant Bothwell by

it) in the neighbouring parishes of Haxey, Epworth, and Belton. C. C. B.

There is an extended description, in the Daily Advertiser of 26 April, 1742, of the mansion house and its appurtenances of "Thomas Pindar, Esq., deceas'd, situate at Totten- ham High - Cross, being a beautiful four-square Ground Brick Building, sash'd ; a Front every way, and Rustick Quoin Corners, with an Entablature all round, a Compass Pediment in the Front next the Road, painted with the Four Seasons, a handsome Court- Yard, with Iron Rails and Gates, with a Walk of Free Stone up to a Flight of seven Steps with Iron Rails, which lead into the Hall," &c. The mansion house, to judge from this para- graph, and a continuation of the account in the news-sheet mentioned, must have been one of considerable importance in its time, and would afford a clue, possibly, to that branch of the Pindars whose representative appears to have occupied the house. John le Pinder is mentioned in the 'Rotuli Litterarum Clausarum in Turri Londinensi ' ; Henry le Pyriderin the Writs of Parliament ; and John le Pindere in 'Excerpta e Rotulis Finium in Tun-i Londinensi' (see Bardsley's 'English Surnames,' 1884, p. 235).

J. HOLDER MACMICHAEL.

For 'Notes on the Pindar Family' of London between 1592 and 1784, see 7 th S. xii. 26 ; and of Chester, Barbados, and else- where, p. 197. EVEKARD HOME COLEMAN.

71, Brecknock Road.

"KISSED HANDS" (9 th S. xii. 445). This phrase has already been discussed in 'N. & Q.,'

Claverhouse, Scott observes :-

"Bothwell went through the salutation in the manner prescribed, but not without evident marks of haughty reluctance, and when he had done so, said aloud, ' To kiss a lady's hand can never dis- grace a gentleman ; but I would not kiss a man's, save the King's, to be made a general.' " Chap. xii.

The probable date of this is 1679, when Charles II. was king.

But, as a work of fiction may not be regarded as of primary authority, let me quote another instance. It is from a poem in Latin sapphics called 'Villa Bromhamensis,' by Robert, Lord Trevor, afterwards created Viscount Hampden, in 1776, by George III. : Hoc ut excudi rude carmen et jam Rusticus factus merus, en ad aulam Devolo meudax, subito vocante Rege benigno.

Ut steti coram (prius apprecatus More non quenquam solito Ministrum) Ille mi dextram dedit osculandam Sponte suapte'.

In " Explanations," notes at the side of the poem, it is observed, "Sent for to Court. Never can vast Lord North, nor even apprised my son-in-law Lord Suffolk, then Secretary of State. Kist the King's hand, June, 1776." JOHN PICKFOED, M.A.

Newbourne Rectory, Woodbridge.

PAMELA (9 th S. xii. 141, 330 ; 10 th S. i. 52). I have a copy of " Pamela ; or, the Fair Im- postor. A Poem in Five Cantos. By J

W, Esq. ; London : Printed for E. Bevins,

under the Crown Coffee-house, against Bed- ford-Row, Holborn : And Sold by J. Roberts,