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Rh after knowledge with a view to the reward thereof, and have avoided ignorance fearing its penalty. But what will you say if I withdraw this concession, and deny that knowledge is rewarded and ignorance punished? — : Then what induces you to discuss and to argue with me? The desire for the benefit of knowledge and the endeavour to avoid the harm of ignorance or something else? — endeavour to avoid the harm of ignorance induce me to do this. — : Then you have acknowledged that knowledge is beneficial and ignorance detrimental. Now a reward is not other than beneficial, and a penalty is not other than detrimental. — : I acknowledge that wisdom is beneficial during life, not after death. — : What is the advantage of knowledge during life? A pleasant life or increase of knowledge? — : I granted the value of knowledge, and I have seen that knowledge is detrimental to the pleasures of life; it necessarily follows that the advantage of knowledge must be in the next world. — in the next world, while knowledge precludes the enjoyment of this world, it is impossible for you to assert that know· ledge is of value in either world. — : I see that if I grant that knowledge is beneficial, I must acknowledge that it is so in the next world. I will now deny that it possesses any advantage, in order to be able to deny that it is of advantage in the next world. — : Do you not then prefer hearing, seeing, and understanding to blindness, deafness, and folly? — : Yes. — : Do you prefer them for the sake of some advantage or not? — : For the sake of some advantage. — : Once again then you have acknowledged that there is some advantage; and you have the same conclusion forced on you as before. — so long as I live, in respect of the comfort and peace that I gain from it, and the pain of ignorance that I am freed from; but I know of no other benefit therefrom. — : Then is there anything else beyond this which is otherwise
 * Nay, desire for the benefit of knowledge and the
 * If you doubt the benefits accruing to the wise
 * I have ever acknowledged the value of knowledge,