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 Ms Wilkinson:

The only problem with Julie [Bishop] is, do we let her know that we're doing this or do we just -

Mr Llewellyn:

No.

Ms Wilkinson:

- run great grabs of her, which, because she wanted to up her price on the corporate speaking circuit. So, in that period before Covid, she was making, like, forty grand a corporate speech to high level banks and all the big corporations. And the one topic they wanted her to talk about was how women need to be lifted up.

Ms Wilkinson:

So, I mean, she shat all over the Liberal Party at a Woman's Weekly Women of the Future Awards. I've seen her give the same speech about four times, and she always talks about the same stuff. So, if we worry that Julie will not play ball with us, then we just need to get those grabs. That's really what we need.

Ms Wilkinson:

Because that's when we got -

Ms Higgins:

Yeah.

Ms Wilkinson:

- the truthful Julie. Every other time she was asked to speak for the sisterhood, when it didn’t work for her financially, she wouldn’t do it. And I worry that she will get into someone’s ear in the Liberal Party.

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Ms Higgins:

Well, the best is the plausible deniability of Scott Morrison, post Four Corners, when he said that that was a Turnbull Government issue. And that’s sort of what sparked my, I was like, f*** you.

Ms Wilkinson:

Yeah. Very much so. This one was under his watch.

Ms Higgins:

Yeah, it was his team.

Ms Wilkinson:

Yep.

798 Secondly, and relatedly, Mr Llewellyn knew it was Mr Sharaz who was "the one to get the story told", had pitched the project to journalists he personally selected, and was putting Lehrmann v Network Ten Pty Limited (Trial Judgment) [2024] FCA 369