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Rh were, in addition to, you know, litigating all these other issues about whether we had served him adequately.

We discovered, you know, many things about his activities in Russia and his general finances, his pattern of avoiding taxation, his use of offshore shell companies and tax haven jurisdictions, particularly in Cypress and the BVI.

We identified a number of his clients. And, you know, we kept trying to subpoena him. Eventually—again, he kept saying I have no connection to the U.S., I never go there, we kept finding more houses. We found a house in New Jersey. All of this is in the court record, and it's all public information.

Ultimately, we found him in, outside of , and served him a third time. And this time we taped the whole thing, and he did the same thing. He jumped out of the limo and he dropped the subpoena and he ran away, so -- but this time it was all on tape and we had already litigated all this. And the judge was very familiar with this scenario.

And, you know, as all the other discovery was taking place, it became more and more apparent that, you know, Bill Browder had taken this information and given it to the government and that, you know, he was the source of these allegations. And so it became more and more important to understand why he was making these allegations and, you know, whether he had any basis to do so.

We'll leave it there for now. Thank you.

MR. SCHIFF: Mr. Simpson, just to follow up, you mentioned that one of the things that you found suspicious was that Mr. Trump would go to Russia or his son would go to Russia, and they seemed to have a great interest in Russia but never came back with any deals.

MR. SIMPSON: Yes. UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE