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Rh MR. QUIGLEY: But are there documents that you would have in your possession --

MR. SIMPSON: Oh.

MR. QUIGLEY: -- that weren't public record that would be helpful?

MR. SIMPSON: I don't think from that period. Well, so the collection of memoranda that are known as the dossier, I mean, that was basically it. I mean, there wasn't --

MR. QUIGLEY: Now, you say you're familiar with people who do intelligence work. I'm sure you're aware that sometimes they talk about levels of certainty they have, right? Like on any one issue, how many sources they have, how confident they are.

In your conversations with Mr. Steele, did he express his level of certainty on these matters?

MR. SIMPSON: So, I mean, I'm not intimately familiar with how the Brits do it, but they seem to do it a little differently. Chris' standard presentation, I mean, essentially, you know, because he's a Russianist, his standard presentation starts with a little talk about disinformation.

Then he says, you know: I was the lead Russianist at MI6 in the final years of my career. And I was previously stationed in Moscow. And I speak Russian. And I've done Russian intelligence/counterintelligence issues all my life. And the central problem when you're a Russian intelligence expert is disinformation, and that the Russians have, you know, a long history and an advanced capability in disinformation.

And so, you know, before we go any further, I just want you to know that, you know, this is my -- the fundamental problem with my profession. And it UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE