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MR. SCHIFF: And that particular family, were they involved in the flipping of that house with the --

MR. SIMPSON: No. No, the Rybolovlev deal, I'm not sure I know that much about the brokering of the Rybolovlev deal. The other one that I would subpoena is the related group, and they were the ones that were involved with the Trump Hollywood. And there was a lot of interesting transactions involving the Trump Hollywood. And that was -- that's a guy named Jorge Perez, who's a major developer who was in the picture with Sergi Millian and Donald Trump that I was talking about previously.

MR. SCHIFF: And in terms of the Panama, Canada, and Scotland transactions, any suggestions there?

MR. SIMPSON: So I think in the -- I'm trying to think of the creative way to do this. I mean, as you may know, you know, most of these transactions are cleared through New York. And the other sort of central place for information is SWIFT in Brussels. But I would go for the clearing banks in New York that cleared the transactions, you know.

And there's -- again, it's these sort of intermediary entities that have no real interest in protecting the information, and all you have to do is ask for it and they just sort of produce it by rote. So we've done a lot of money laundering investfgations where we go to the trust companies and the clearing entities.

And so, you know, all dollar transactions are generally cleared through New York. So, you know, the main thing you have to do is identify the banks that were used. So I don't know if the money was moved via Deutsche Bank or what the other banks were. In fact, I've never gotten around to trying to figure that out. UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE