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Rh says they're a billionaire but can't get a bank loan, you know, there's this whole issue of where is the credit coming from.

And so, you know, we were always trying to figure out where -- how he was financing various things. So anyway, we looked at this Jersey City project, and it was going to be financed by selling visas to foreign citizens who were seeking green cards from the United States.

And I knew from previous investigations that that program was -- there were a lot of irregularities in that program, and that, in fact, the government, the U.S. Government had conducted previous investigations into whether foreign intelligence figures were using the EB-5 program to get people into the United States.

So in any event, we looked at all of that. And I don't believe we concluded -- we found any specific events of fraud, but it all had took on the appearance of a controversial thing, which later became true. And, in fact, it did become very controversial that they were using EB-5 to fund that project.

MR. SCHIFF: Did you look at the other -- the Manhattan Tower project of Kushner's?

MR. SIMPSON: No. No, we never did.

MR. SCHIFF: Did you ever obtain, with respect to the money laundering allegations, any of the President's tax returns?

MR. SIMPSON: No. But we did --


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MR. SIMPSON: We did look at other ways of finding out what his practices were with regards to taxes, and we found some great, interesting documents in Las Vegas, I believe, and various other locations where he would -- I think gave much more realistic assessments of the income and values of his properties. UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE