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 nature, Englishmen will change theirs. This is not possible, and to believe it to be possible is contrary to human experience.


 * Supposing we get self-government similar to what the Canadians and the South Africans have, will it be good enough?


 * That question also is useless. We may get it when we have the same powers; we shall then hoist our own flag. As is Japan, so must India be. We must own our navy, our army, and we must have our own splendour, and then will India's voice ring through the world.


 * You have well drawn the picture. In effect it means this: that we want English rule without the Englishman. You want the tiger's nature, but not the tiger; that is to say, you would make India English, and when it becomes English, it will be called not Hindustan but Englistan. This is not the Swaraj that I want.


 * I have placed before you my idea of Swaraj as I think it should be. If the education we have received be of any use if the works of Spencer, Mill and others be of any importance, and if the English