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24 moral influence that the great work will be chiefly done, if it is ever done—such as providing healthy recreation for the young, and putting good opportunities in their way as much as possible. Through these means, I believe, more effective promotion of temperance work will be carried out than by legislation. At the same time, I am not opposed to rational legislation; I think it may do much to promote the good work.

On the question of education the Bishop was just as outspoken. “I should really like to have it registered as my opinion that the national schools in the country generally, but especially in Wales, should be dealt with more justly by the Government than they are at the present time, and that this should be done by the Government paying for the secular education in all schools without penalising, as they now do, those religious bodies that wish to have religious instruction introduced according to the beliefs and desires of the parents of the children. That is generally my view on the question. Our schools give the State what the State asks for—viz., efficient secular education. If that is so, why should they not be paid at the same rate as the Board Schools, leaving the religious question to be settled by the religious bodies? We ought to have full payment for that which we give the State. We want justice for the