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 other five points were won by the deprivation and imprisonment of men who stuck to principle. The liturgical use of incense will be vindicated and won in the same way. The surest omen of victory is that what one generation of Bishops solemnly condemns the next heartily approves. Why, some of the present Bishops actually practise what their predecessors denounced."

"You have had some remarkable meetings under the auspices of the Union. Can you recall the most important?"

"There was, I remember, a great public meeting, practically organised by the E.C.U., in St James' Hall, Piccadilly, in January 1873, in defence of the Athanasian Creed. Among those who served on the committee were Dr Pusey, the Dean of Ripon (Dr Neill), Charles Kingsley, Canon Liddon and Archdeacon Denison. The meeting was for men only, and over 3000 were present. Indeed, so large was the attendance, that an overflow meeting had to be held in the Hanover Square Rooms, presided over by the Marquis of Bath, supported by Earl Beauchamp, Earl Nelson, Canon Gregory, and others. The Duke of Marlborough, owing to illness, was unable to preside at the principal meeting, and his place was taken by Mr J. G. Hubbard, M.P. It is worth mentioning that the Marquis of Salisbury was the mover of the second resolution, which was to the effect that the meeting "earnestly deprecated, as