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199 of State a very different kettle of fish.

Mr. Is it because -- and, again, I know you don't like answering hypos, and I don't actually like asking them -- but what in particular the beginning stages of her tenure would have addressed an element that you thought was missing?

Mr. Oh, that's easy to answer. If there was going to be evidence that she knew she was communicating in a way she shouldn't, explicit evidence, common sense tells you it's likely to be at the beginning when someone encountered her mode or means of communication and said: Hey, boss, you know you can't do that. You know you can't talk about this kind of thing or that kind of thing on an unclass system.

It's much more likely to be at the beginning, which we never found, those 3 months, than much later.

Mr. All right. Well, let me ask you about the beginning. Bryan Pagliano, when the FBI interviewed him, who did he say instructed him to set up the server?

Mr. I'm sorry. Who is the name, please?

Mr. Bryan Pagliano.

Mr. I don't remember.

Mr. Do you remember Bryan Pagliano?

Mr. Yeah, I remember the name.

Mr. A Department of State employee who, by all indications, set up the server for Secretary Clinton. Do you know whether he was asked what he was told about why this was