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196 Ohr? If you were getting information directly from Mr. Steele, why did you need Bruce Ohr to also get information from Mr. Steele and then give it to the FBI?

Mr. I can't answer that because I don't -- as I said in response to your earlier questions, I don't know anything about a Bruce Ohr connection to Mr. Steele.

Mr. Why was Christopher Steele terminated, his relationship with the FBI terminated, in November of 2016?

Mr. I don't know.

Mr. Okay. Did you know that the FBI continued to use Mr. Steele's information after he was terminated by the FBI?

Mr. What do you mean by use his information?

Mr. The fact that after he's terminated, he continues to give information to Bruce Ohr, who Bruce Ohr, after each and every time he communicates with Christopher Steele, then sits down with the FBI, and there are, my understanding, several 302s, I think more than a dozen 302s that talk about those interactions that Mr. Ohr had with Mr. Steele.

Mr. I don't know anything about that.

Mr. Okay. Were you aware that Christopher Steele had met with representatives in the media in September of 2016?

Mr. No.

Mr. So didn't know anything about that and didn't know that he had met with Mr. Isikoff with Yahoo News?

Mr. No. And I don't even know whether that's true,