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195 April where I told the President that the way it should work if he has an inquiry is to have the White House counsel call over to the leadership of the Department of Justice and do it that way.

Mr. Okay. Okay. I want to move on to -- I want to go back to Bruce Ohr and Christopher Steele real quick, if I can. Do you know Bruce Ohr personally?

Mr. Yes. Not well. I've met him, and he was a prosecutor in New York around the time that I was a prosecutor in New York.

Mr. And did you -- just to recap, I think Mr. Gowdy was here earlier today. Did you know that Christopher Steele was giving information to Mr. Ohr?

Mr. I didn't know that, and I don't know that for a fact.

Mr. So you didn't know that Christopher Steele was passing information to Mr. Ohr and he was then providing it -- Mr. Ohr was then providing it to the FBI?

Mr. I don't know if that's true, and I didn't know anything like that when I was Director.

Mr. Did you know if Christopher Steele had any bias against President Trump?

Mr. No.

Mr. Did you -- I'm just curious your thoughts. Maybe you can't comment on this. But why did the FBI need Bruce