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141 I'm referring to.

Mr. -- but I don't -- I don't remember anything beyond that.

Mr. And so I can give you something so that you -- your counsel can look at it and refresh your memory, perhaps, as we look at that, but I guess my concern is your earlier testimony acted like this was news to you that Perkins Coie represented the Democratic National Committee, and yet your general counsel not only knew that but received information from them that was transmitted to other people in the investigative team. And I find it interesting that the Director would not know about that because it is not normal that your general counsel would be a custodian of evidence. Is that correct? Was it -- was it normal that people sought out your general counsel to make them aware of potential concerns? Is that normal?

Mr. I kind of think it is not as uncommon as you're suggesting it is.

Mr. Well, Mr. Baker thought it was uncommon. He said he couldn't ever recall it ever happening before.

Mr. I don't know what the "it" is. What I'm struggling with here is --

Mr. Where someone reaches out to the general counsel to give them evidence to say that they want the FBI to look into it. He couldn't recall another time. And you're saying it's not uncommon.