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140 knowledge?

Mr. I don't know.

Mr. What do you mean you don't know? I mean, did he tell you or not?

Mr. Oh, I -- well --

Mr. James Baker, we have testimony that would indicate that he received information directly from Perkins Coie; he had knowledge that they were representing the Democrat National Committee and, indeed, collected that information and conveyed it to the investigative team. Did he tell you that he received that information from them? And I can give you a name if you want to know who he received it from.

Mr. I don't remember the name Perkins Coie at all.

Mr. What about Michael Sussmann?

Mr. I think I've read that name since then. I don't remember learning that name when I was FBI Director.

I was going to ask you a followup, though. When you say "that information," what do you mean?

Mr. Well, it was cyber information as it relates to the investigation.

Mr. Yeah, I have some recollection of Baker interacting with -- you said the DNC, which sparked my recollection -- with the DNC about our effort to get information about the Russian hack of them --

Mr. Yeah, that's -- that's not -- that's not what