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106 had spoken to the investigators themselves. It's possible I spoke to the investigators directly. I just don't remember that.

Mr. And, again, what was communicated on the issue of an intent to deceive? What's your recollection on what those agents relayed back?

Mr. My recollection was he was -- the conclusion of the investigators was he was obviously lying, but they saw none of the normal common indicia of deception: that is, hesitancy to answer, shifting in seat, sweating, all the things that you might associate with someone who is conscious and manifesting that they are being -- they're telling falsehoods. There's no doubt he was lying, but that those indicators weren't there.

Mr. When you say "lying," I generally think of an intent to deceive as opposed to someone just uttering a false statement.

Mr. Sure.

Mr. Is it possible to utter a false statement without it being lying?

Mr. I can't answer -- that's a philosophical question I can't answer.

Mr. No, I mean, if I said, "Hey, look, I hope you had a great day yesterday on Tuesday," that's demonstrably false.

Mr. That's an expression of opinion.