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69 It's an -- it's an assumption.

All right. What's the assumption?

The Vice President was very aware of what was -- the constitutional issues that were becoming present, he believes. And this is what he would do. It doesn't surprise me he did it. I think it's very well written. But it's -- this is clearly Mike Pence for historical purposes putting something in the record so he's got this marker on the ground. This is not surprising to me. This is what Mike Pence, how he operates, would do.

So January 6th happens every 4 years, and not every 4 years is there a letter like this. So is there something that triggered him feeling like he had to do this?

Yeah,, I think it was common knowledge. I mean, there was disagreement with he and the President of the United States.

And that disagreement was over his role as --

Uh-huh, I believe --

-- President of the Senate?

Right.

What -- and is there anything in particular that makes you say that, that that was the reason?

I just think the fact that it was, you know, what you saw happening, common knowledge. Everybody knew in Washington, D.C., there was this friction going on.

And did you see any of that play out behind the scenes?

Meaning what, ?

Meaning before the Vice President send this, did you see what you say is common knowledge about the President urging the Vice President to do something other than just count electoral votes?