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67 said -- and I can't remember who I said it to. It may have been to Marc Short. What I wish he would have done goes back to that early comment, talking about the fracture, is I said I wish he would have turned to the Parliamentarian of the Senate and gotten her opinion on what he could or could not have done.

That, I believe, was the same guidance that he received from a former Vice President, Dan Quayle. And I think that would have solved the issue immediately, because I think the Parliamentarian of the Senate would have said what he was allowed or not allowed to do.

Okay. So I want to unpack that a little bit. You said "subsequent to this" you told Marc Jacobs. What do you mean? When was subsequent to what?

Well, it was one of those when you -- remember when I said earlier about you kind do have a mental after-action review? How could you have prevented what had happened, or what do you learn from going forward?

And I was thinking: How could we have not gotten to the situation we were in? And one of the I thought about, I was -- and I can't remember if it was either Marc Short of Mark Meadows or even to the Vice President. You know, I wish we had turned to the Parliamentarian of the Senate and said, what is your ruling? And I believe that Vice President Dan Quayle, unbeknownst to me, had said exactly the same thing to Pence later on.

Okay. And this was all information that you learned after --

Afterwards, yeah.

-- after January 6th?

Afterwards.

Okay. So do you know whether the Vice President consulted with the Parliamentarian?