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38 So we always had -- national security, that's always two lawyers. Regardless, we always had at least Pat was for the most part always there.

Okay. So I'm getting a sense that this was -- he was coming out of the Oval --

Yeah.

-- and you were going in?

, the best of my recollection, yeah.

And you were going in to see the President and he was leaving a conversation.

Yeah. Because what I would do is, you know, if you asked people in the White House, I had that tendency to walk in and check morale. I just -- you know, you kind of keep the temperatures cool. And sometimes I'd walk in on the President and say, "Hey, Mr. President, how's it going?" and just say, "How's it going?" you know, and be the heat shield if something bad was going on.

Yeah. Was there anyone else present at the time?

I don't remember,. I don't.

Mr. . Okay. Okay. Thank you.

Mr. . Do you have anything on that?

Mr. . No.

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I may know the answers to this or assume the answers, but I shouldn't do that, so I'm going to ask them anyway, and they're related to Mr. Eastman.