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37 Okay. Don't remember his words?

I don't remember his exact words. That's what I'd always, you know, try to counsel people, is don't let your emotions get ahead of you.

And was this in the post-election period, meaning after November 3rd?

Yeah, it was.

Do you think it was something related to the election?

Honestly,, I don't remember. I really can't,. I just don't remember it all.

Just to put kind of a timing perspective on it, was it before the January 5th, the events at the Capitol, or after, if you can recall?

I don't remember.

Okay.

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Was he leaving a conversation with the President --

Uh-huh.

-- and you were going in?

Yeah. That was I think -- the more I think about it,, that's when he was coming out and I was going in, and he seemed irritated. And I've known Pat for, you know, entire time. You know, the natural way I work is, "Hey, Pat, what's up?" you know, and spun up. And I can't remember exactly why.

He's a pretty measured person?

Very much so. And that's the reason why -- I mean, cause Pat Cipollone was always there, be it a Presidential daily brief, if we were talking about a military operation, or any type of thing. The White House Counsel was always there, as was when it came to national security, so was the National Security Council lawyer.