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30 President, and I was the national security guy -- and in the middle. Because at that time Robert O'Brien, the National Security Advisor to the President, was what I affectionately called on his farewell tour. He was out and about. And so I, by default, if Matt Pottinger wasn't there, I was the national security adviser to both.

So you're aware of these discussions, or the staffs, that made providing different advice to their --

I wasn't aware. I knew -- I mean, when you say "aware," I didn't know what was going on. But, I mean, it's -- you had to be a fool not to pick up on the fact that there was, you know, competing looks at it.

Yeah. Any specific recollection you have of any meeting, any discussion that you had with any of these individuals or anything more collective on that issue --

No, not at all

-- with respect to the election?

I didn't -- when this was going on, I was -- I'm a big believer in staying in your lane. And I was staying in my lane.

Mr. . Yeah. I know going to go through some of this with you. I'm sorry,, to interrupt your flow.

Mr. . That's fine.

Mr. . That's all. Thank you.

Mr. . ?

Mr. I got a couple questions, General.

My colleagues asked you some questions about whether you had conversations with Vice President Pence about his role in certification of the election and related matters.

A follow-up question to that is, were you ever present when Marc Short or Greg