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28 recommended the Medal of Freedom?

The Witness. Yeah, I think that was probably the following week is when I said --

Mr. . After. Okay.

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Go back to the fracture. Just tell me more of what you saw that demonstrated the fracture or manifestations of that conflict between those two men?

Well, they didn't just talk like they normally talked,. That was -- remember I said earlier that the Vice President would come in, he'd go right to the Oval Office if the President was down? That was the first thing he would ask. Because normally -- not normally. Sometimes I would meet him at the car, walk up to his office with him, and he'd look at Sarah, his EA, and say, "Is the President down?" meaning from the residence.

And if the President was down, he'd head out. So much for a lost opportunity to tell him World War III had started. It just didn't work that way. And it was -- and that didn't happen after that.

And so that's where I saw it, and I saw it because the day after 6 January he didn't come into the Oval or didn't come into the office at all.

I believe, I can't make for sure, but Marc Short would probably know, he came in the day after to work out of the Executive Office of the President -- of the ceremonial office. It was like the third of fourth day he moved back, he actually went back into his West Wing office.

Yeah. How long -- I'm sorry to cut in.

No. I'm sorry,.

How long before January 6th did the fracture, in your observation, start or the Vice President no longer was going into the Oval every morning?