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25 "On one trip on Air Force Two to watch a rocket launch, Kellogg pulled the Vice President aside and said, "Sir, you've got to end this and here's how you end it. Walk in there and say: I ain't gonna do it. Not just that you can't do it, but you won't do it."

No.

Do you remember saying anything like that?

No. First of all, that's not how I talked to the Vice President. Even though I do -- I would probably say "ain't" a lot. I would talk to him in very precise terms. , that is not a quote.

Mr. Coale. Can you share with us who wrote this book?

Mr. . This one is from "Peril" by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

The Witness. I -- I -- no.

BY MR. :

Did you ever say anything like that --

No.

-- to the Vice President?

No.

Did you ever give him advice to kind of stay with his conviction and stand strong in resisting efforts by the President to ask him to take some action?

No, I don't, because that was not my lane,. This thing goes back probably to somebody like Marc Short or Greg Jacobs to do it.

I did tell him I admired his -- when you look at somebody in the political environment and the pressure they're under you admire their -- whoever it is -- their political -- ability to withstand a lot of political pressures.

And I was -- you know, very candidly,, and I love both Donald J. Trump and Michael Pence, and I was the -- probably the only person in the White House that had