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24 the counting of the electoral votes.

Okay. So what were those differing views that you --

Well, the different views was the President was getting -- he was getting advice from lawyers that was contrary to the advice that the Vice President was getting, and you had battling lawyers.

And I'm telling you that,, as somebody who was watching it. And my legal experience is I took constitutional law in college. That's it.

So seeing where you were -- or being where you were and seeing what you saw, what was the Vice President's perspective on those issues?

I don't -- we didn't -- on those issues we didn't really talk, because those were issues what were not, quote, national security related, so he didn't talk to me about them, and I didn't press him on it.

I saw it from a distance, a periphery. And if I've talked to Marc Short about it, frankly, the guy that he on those issues he was talking to was Marc Short, and -- not Matt Moore. I'm trying to remember -- he always had the -- his counsel.

Mr. . Was it Greg Jacob?

The Witness. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, it was Greg Jacobs.

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Another report related to this is that you attended a rocket launch in Florida with the Vice President and his family and you talked about some of this election-related pressure with the Vice President on the way there or on the way back. And I know that's a general question, but is that accurate?

No. I don't -- no, not at all. I don't remember talking at all about that on the flight there to or from.

Let me read you this. So this is, again, a quote from the book. It says: