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17 Wing had no windows, no walls, bad air conditioning, and the office in the Executive Office of the President had windows. It was really nice. So I kept both offices.

But depending where I was at and what I was doing, if something was happening I'd move the team -- it was a very small office -- over to the West Wing. So I had offices -- I know it's a long answer -- but I had actually offices in both.

Okay. And just functionally, who did you report to other than the President or Vice President? And I guess I'll just ask specifically, did you report to Mr. Meadows, the Chief of Staff?

No. I reported directly to the Vice President of the United States or the President of the United States.

Okay. So you didn't report to Mr. Meadows or Marc Short?

No. But as a courtesy, I'd talk to them. But that was one of the reasons why, earlier I said -- holding on to an AP position was critical, because that leveled the playing field. Because as an AP, when you're an AP you're basically the same rank as everybody.

And I had -- even though as a courtesy, and I would talk to Marc as the VP or, you know, I talked to Mark Meadows, but it wasn't a requirement. You know, I made sure they knew what was going on, and I did it as a simple courtesy.

Was it a requirement? No. Because if I had to play the AP card, I'd play the AP card, which meant if I wanted to be in a meeting, I went into a meeting.

All right. So I want to talk to you briefly about communications and the communication structure at the White House.

Who was in charge of communications, to your knowledge, towards the end of the President's term?

What do you mean?