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16 walk-in privileges. And walk-in privileges mean you could go into the Oval at any time as long as the President didn't run you out. But you had to be an AP to be able to do that.

And I think he just wanted -- I think the -- in the pecking order of the White House being a senior staff -- and that's what the APs were all called, senior staff -- you had the ability to move in and make a comment.

So it freed you up from having to go through a chain of command or talk to anybody, you had that ability -- and I'm assuming a lot of White Houses are like that -- you had the ability to go in the Oval Office at any time.

Okay. And speaking of that, kind of related, where was your office?

I had two offices. I had the West Wing office, which used to be Henry Kissinger's office in the old days, what's called the lower suite. And the advantage is, it's next to the Navy mess. So you could get coffee real quick. But it was -- if you were really slow, you could get to the Oval Office within 45 seconds.

It's not the same level as the Oval?

No. It's one level below. They call it lower suite. The upper suite is where the Oval Office, the NSA's office is, the press secretary's office is, the Chief of Staff's office is, Jared Kushner's office was there.

And then the third floor up, what we used to call the attic, because that's where the White House Counsel was, that's where Ivanka was, and everybody else.

So I kept that office. And when I moved to the Office of the Vice President, then I moved my offices over to the EOB where the primary -- the staff of the Vice President was under John Bolton. But as soon as John Bolton left, they moved me right back to the Oval Office. And so I moved back into the office I had started with, which was on the lower suite.

However, I kept both offices. And the reason is, the office you had in the West