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84 you as your manager?

In the National Security Council, I believe it was 15 to 20 people's details would expire. As you know, that's sort of how that process goes, so it would be a coming and going, but that's the general number.

So is the 15 to 20—I mean, I know you were a public defender right out of law school, so is the 15 to 20 the outset number of number of people that you managed?

Outset—

Prior to—meaning the largest number of people you managed prior to becoming the chief of staff?

No, so, when I became the principal deputy to the Acting DNI Ric Grenell over at the office of Director of National Intelligence, they had—and I'm ballparking this number—I believe 7,000 to 10,000 billets, jobs, at the ODNI that reported to me and through our deputies, to me through the acting directors. So I had that experience—

I see.

—running the intelligence community and prioritizing our targeting efforts there. And that's what generally ODNI does.

Got it.

So that and then the White House time and then I became—like my predecessor, who was the chief of staff that I replaced, she and I were Hill staffers together on the Hill and that was her background.

I'm sorry. Did you want to take a break now?

Mr. Sofer. If this is a good breaking point, just a short one.

Sure. I just want to be cognizant of time, but, yeah.

Mr. Sofer. Understood. So do I.

[Recess.]