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42 So I'm not sure the article is exactly accurate to its verbiage and quoting, but for purposes of this illustration, we'll say it is. And, based on that, I believe Acting Secretary Miller took away that he had one of the two steps satisfied lawfully to mobilize the National Guard if a request was then made by law enforcement or a Governor or a mayor.

. So—

The Witness. It's not a—I don't think it's an order, but that's my estimation.

. Okay. So your perception of this conversation wasn't that it was an order for 10,000—I'll let your attorney finish talking.

[Discussion off the record.]

The Witness. Yeah. As I said earlier, I don't believe that the verbiage in the Vanity Fair article is accurate word for word. But what you're asking, I believe—and tell me if I'm wrong—is whether or not any orders were issued on that day that I can recall.

I don't recall, from the best of my memory, not the article, any orders being issued. But what I recall is authorizations being made for the mobilization of Guard should it be deemed necessary by law enforcement and Governors.


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Okay. That's helpful.

Do you remember if the President mentioned anything that he may need these troops to protect the Trump people?

I don't recall him ever saying that.

So, just to take what you said about this not being orders, so was there any action that was taken based upon this conversation as you remember it?

As I remember of what happens when, anytime there's an authorization, as this was, for National Guard from the President of the United States, the chain of command is the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of the Army. The National Guard