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35 whether President Donald Trump changed his position from pressuring Vice President Pence to reject electors to instead pressuring Vice President Pence to delay certification and send the election back to State legislatures.

Fifth.

Dr. Eastman, did your position change from the position in your first memo, what I referred to as the two-page memo, that the Vice President could reject electors, to the position that the Vice President should instead delay certification beyond January 6th to give States more time to send alternate slates of electors?

Fifth.

Dr. Eastman, regarding your position that the certification of the election should be delayed beyond January 6th, isn't that exactly what the rioters who attacked the Capitol were trying to accomplish on January 6th?

Fifth.

I'll pause there to see if there are other questions regarding that meeting with the President in the Oval Office.

No members?

Any staff?

Okay.

Dr. Eastman, I'm now going to ask you about a meeting that we understand you had with the staff to Vice President Pence the next day, so January 5th, 2021.

Dr. Eastman, did you meet with Marc Short, chief of staff for the Vice President, and Greg Jacob, counsel to the Vice President, in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on January 5th, 2021?

The Fifth.