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88 issue and Arturo D'Elio. Tell us, if you can, first about the Pennsylvania issue reflected there in your notes?

So the Pennsylvania issue is the delta between the certified votes reported and the public-facing State election database. I have already explained all of this.

Okay.

Apparently, at this point, December 29th, we didn't have the final answer from Scott Brady as to why that difference existed. So this is the chief of staff saying: You guys know about this. Right?

And we said, essentially: Yes, you know, we heard about it.

And I wrote here: Advised that we are looking at the claim that certifications exceeded number of votes cast. So, obviously, at that point, Scott had not given us the explanation.

Got it. All right. And then the last reference to the Italian matter?

So this is the first we heard of this. He gave me the name Arturo D'Elio, D-'-E-l-i-o. I later realized that was a misspelling, and it should be D'Elia, D-'-E-l-i-a. This was an allegation, and it was convoluted from the start, and the chief of staff was clear that he didn't understand this allegation fully, but he wanted to pass it along for whatever we thought it was worth. And the allegation had something to do with an Italian company called Leonardo and a facility they had in Italy, the Pesara, P-e-s-a-r-a, facility, and that this gentleman Mr. D'Elia was somehow under the protection of some Italian Government agency, that a letter had been sent about his company. And there was some claim made that the company was somehow involved in changing votes in the 2020 U.S. election. The claim also in the letter was that this had been coordinated at least with the knowledge of CIA officers stationed in the Embassy in Rome―I know where the Embassy is in Rome―and that there was an American subsidiary of Leonardo