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72 or that was meant to suggest to that "Hey, if you don't do it, others will"? Give me a sense of your reaction when he raised Jeff Clark's name?

Certainly it was strange because it sort of came out of left field. And if there was anyone I thought he would have mentioned, it certainly wouldn't have been Jeff Clark. So I was a little taken aback by the reference. But this notion of "Well, maybe, I should just change leadership, people are telling me I should fire you two," it was sort of a matter of saying: Mr. President, go ahead. If you want to do it, that's fine. You should have the leadership you want. But understand it's not going to change anything.

So it didn't upset me. I didn't feel particularly pressured one way or the other. But this was a point he was making that informed the whole discussion, and the discussion had continued over the next couple of weeks.

Yeah, well, it sounds like, Mr. Donoghue, you didn't feel pressure. It's going to be reflected as we go forward in these other calls.

So, later that night, do you get a call, a followup call as he promised, from Congressman Perry, Scott Perry from Pennsylvania?

I did. And I took notes, and those are reflected in tab 7.

Okay.

I would note the outset—

Just the 28th, but was the call actually on the night of the 27th?

It was. I misdated that. I apologize.

Well, just tell us about the conversation with Congressman Perry.

Sure. I apologize for the handwriting. I was in the back of a moving vehicle at the time.

So, to Congressman Perry, Pennsylvania, in the left margin, it says: