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49 "Jim Jordan"—

All right, let me stop you there. I want you to just tell us what you remember about this allegation about Pennsylvania in terms of the "more than they have voters," what that involved and what you at the Department were familiar with and did about that allegation.

So, again, I tried to keep on top of the allegations as they were surfacing and just make sure that the U.S. attorneys were aware of them. Or, in many instances, the U.S. attorneys were already aware, and they made me aware of them.

The reason I took notes in this meeting is because it started with this allegation that I'd never heard of. And so the President was saying, essentially, the Pennsylvania secretary of State certified 205,000 more votes than were actually cast in Pennsylvania. Sometimes he would say 205; sometimes he would say 250. So you see it changes a little bit in the notes. But, essentially, the allegation was that the secretary of State had certified more votes than were actually cast in the State of Pennsylvania.

And, from what I recall, the President was saying, "This is clear fraud. It's right there out in the open. You don't even have to investigate; you can just look on the internet and see her certification and see the official count and see the difference of several hundred thousand votes. It's clear that this is fraud." That's essentially what he was saying about Pennsylvania.

And since I had not heard that particular allegation before, I began taking notes, because I thought, well, we better understand what he's saying here so that we can decide what, if anything, we should do about it.

Yeah.

And then you have a followup—

He mixes this—