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Rh We just do not know. We are trying to learn.

I, for one, appreciate the spirit in which you have come here today.

Mr. . Thank you, sir.

The. Mr. Schultz, the Chair certainly appreciates the spirit of your testimony. You have been very helpful. I think I speak for every member of the subcommittee when f say we are grateful. ;

Senator. Mr. Chairman, may I ask one more question?

The. Senator Kefanver.

Senator. Those who carry the seal of the code, do they advertise inside the magazine that they are complying with the code of the Comic Magazine Publishers Association?

Mr. . I know of no such specific advertisement, other than the impression of the seal itself on the cover.

Senator. How do people know what that seal means, then?

Mr. . I really don't know. Most of the publishers who are nonmembers develop seals of their own. You find a whole series of seals which say "Good clean reading," and everything else, so that the seal has lost its imprint and its value in many ways anyhow, except for somebody who takes the trouble to look very closely at that little legend that might have some meaning to it,

Other than that T think it has no value.

Senator. Thank you very much.

The. The subcommittee will stand in recess until 2 o'clock this afternoon.

(Thereupon, at 12:20 p, m., the subcommittee recessed, to recon- vene at 2 p.m., same day.)

The subcommittee reconvened at 2 o'clock p. m., upon the expiration of the recess.

The. The hearing will be in order.

The first witness this afternoon will be Dr. Frederic Wertham.

Docter, will you come forward and be sworn, please.

Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you will give this sub- committee of the Committee on the Judiciary of the United States Senate, will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Dr. . I do.

The. Doctor, do you have a prepared statement?

Dr. . I have a statement of about 20 or 26 minutes.

The. All right, Doctor, you proceed in your own manner.

Dr. . Thank you.

The. Doctor, do you have copies of your statement?

Dr. . It is not written out. I have a statement of my credentials.