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Rh The. It is really a privilege and not a right.

Mr. . That is right, sir, but I think we have to do a little educational work in that regard.

I believe that should be the basic philosophy behind our legislation.

The. I do not. want to interrupt your chain of thought, but you are commenting on the need for Federal legislation. I know that your mindI was a member of my own legistature in New Jersey—is running mostly to State legislation.

Mr. . That is right.

The. Have you thanght out or spelled out in your own thinking any specific form of legislation that we of the Congress should adopt?

Mr. . Yes, sir; I have it in my statement. Tam coming to it. right now.

May £ also say, too, that, of conrse, ny experience is limited to eight years in the state legislature, and that I realize there are many diflicul- ties involved in Congressional legislation, which do not face us, and that you have a great diversity of opinion from various parts of the counlry,

The. Caused by State lines.

Mr. . Yes, sir. It makes it much more difficult, but we have just introduced and successfully passed this bill on tie-in sales. We have introduced also, and I have a copy in the back, in the appendix of our report, a bill that I believe your New Jersey bill is patterned on, menator, if Tmay beso bolt as to say so,

I have had conversations with Mr. Kaplon, who is deing such a fine job, and your people in New Jersey. We have introduced in the State, and have not yet been able to passI hope with this concli- tioning process we are going to get to ita bill which makes a distine- tion between selling literature to the general public and selling litera- ture to juveniles, and to children.

Now, personally, I feel very strongly about that. I think that we forbid now the sale of liquor to children; we forbid the sale of tobacco to children, on the general ground that it affects their health and morals.

To me it is just as important to forbid the sale to children of any- thing which breaks down standards of morality, which stimulates sex- ual desire, and which contributes to juvenile delinquency.

I would like to see in the State of New York and on the Federal level, specific legislation banning the sale of horror comic books.

As far as I am concerned, I would like to see all of the horror comic books deleted from sales to children. J am not sure whether we can do that on a constitutional basis, or not, but certainly we have pro- tections in our Constitution against that which is repulsive, if not indecent, and certainly this kind of muterial is repulsive.

T think we should seek both on the Iederal and State Jevel, legis- lation dealing specifically with the sale to minors.

Then I feel this: We have heard a great denl about. tic-in sales. You are going to find, I believe. sir, 1f T may be so bold as to say so, that it is a very difficult thing to tie people down on the tie-in sales,